From: Badger_South
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Non Attribute-based training
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:54:00 -0500
Message-ID: d41p21t0mtgc6o3c8bl76fid8ilt47qekn@4ax.com

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 16:38:43 +0100, Jacob Andersen <rep9...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> I really think he's on to something. Anybody else seen his stuff? Frank
>> Benn? Comments?
>> 
>> I think this is a clear parallel to why old guys continue to do pretty well
>> in BJJ classes. They're beating you with timing, experience and knowledge,
>> not raw speed, strength or power.
>> 
>> -B
>
>I've done some of it, when I was in an SBG affiliated club, and it does
>seem to work pretty well. However, I'm such a lousy boxer that I'm not
>really sure I can tell, in comparison to 
>Rodney did a seminar at the club I used to train at, but sadly I didn't
>attend. It was supposedly somewhat of an eye-opener for the attendees.
>
>FWIW, the Crazy Monkey system has a very good reputation around these
>parts. It's pretty much just regular boxing, but low on jabs, and with the
>squared off stance, to allow sprawling etc. And of course there's the
>somewhat weird defensive structure.
>
>/Jacob

It reminds me of the style of Floyd Patterson a bit. I think the main draw
of this style of boxing is that it brings up your game an amazing amount if
you're only a so-so boxer, and it uses some good strategies, and
high-percentage footwork and active blocking, forward facing stance and
compact body-structure to maximize whatever natural power you do have.

Obviously, any style where you are predictable allows a very good boxer to
pick up on your timing and then you're toast. 

Presumably with the CM style as your base, you gain confidence, develop
your jab-cross and left hook to the body. Then you can layer your own style
on top and mix it up. The neat thing is that most first-timers say it
really elevates their game - after a few weeks, any newcomers that you spar
with are really reduced to cannon-fodder by it.

As you say the mostly squared hips allows good sprawl, and the high elbows
up, tucked chin, compressed body is a good protective cocoon. He says he
emphasizes defense first - I like that concept, again for guys who really
can't box that well. I also like the concept of punching from the top of
the head. 

King's style eliminates the bad habits many TMA to MMA converts have of
trying to pick off punches with the forward hand, and teaches them to deal
with being hit a lot, of course with the protection of gear and the strong
defensive mode. Obviously it's not something that a seasoned MMA striker, a
Chuck Liddell, would go to, though I believe some say he's familiar with
King.

-B

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